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| Lariff |
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What if Voldie never finished making these horcruxes. Would it be possible for a horcrux to make another one??
Dumbledore's comments about the four houses.. and how possibly Tom used another relic of hogwarts as a horcrux. Well what if he never succeeded?
I may be leaping far here... but if Tom knew about Gryffindor's sword... and wanted to somehow use it as horcrux.. in the second book, with Ginny and/or Harry as a sacrifice?
I don't know, something about that sword doesn't sit well with me. I may just be paranoid, but I feel like we're missing something. |
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| Kherezae |
| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:53 pm |
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The sword will probably become very important, yes. And Voldemort knows the diary has been destroyed -- will he create another? Or was the original seven enough? If he creates another, will it rip his soul beyond repair? I mean, would it destroy/weaken Voldemort, or something along those lines?
Just... rambling. |
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| Verity Brown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:24 am |
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This is a very good point: what is to stop Voldie from making more horcruxes now?
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| Lariff |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:00 am |
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Will the madness never end?
The diary thing was a good point.. which bring to mind the whole R.A.B. thing. If it's Regulus and Voldie killed him because of it, did he replace it with another horcrux? |
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| Verity Brown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:59 am |
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Lariff wrote: The diary thing was a good point..
I just had a thought about the diary. It seems, from Slug's memory, that it wasn't until his seventh year that Tom Riddle got the idea for the horcruxes. And yet, I thought it said, somewhere in CoS, that the personality in the diary was Tom's *sixteen-year-old self*. That doesn't quite match up.
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:07 am |
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| Maybe Voldemort had written in the diary in his sixth year, learned about Horcruxes in his seventh, then created the diary Horcrux, preserving the memories of the 16 year old Voldemort... even if he was 17, 18, 19, or 20 when he made it. Cause even if he learned about Horcruxes in his seventh year, he still had to learn how to make them... |
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| Lariff |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:04 am |
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Quote: Maybe Voldemort had written in the diary in his sixth year, learned about Horcruxes in his seventh, then created the diary Horcrux
That's what I'm leaning with. I think the diary was created to open Cos again, but maybe sparked his interest in horcruxes since it was directly linked to his murder, therefor the perfect item for when ickle Tom went on to bigger and badder things. |
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:55 am |
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| One thing I missed earlier: Maybe what's stopping Voldemort from creating more Horcruxes is that his soul is so degraded it can't be broken down any more... Or possibly, he had to finish creating Horcruxes before his first "death" because he is no longer technically human and can't create any more... |
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| Lariff |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:01 am |
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| I wonder if Voldie could inadvertantly kill himself by trying to make too many horcruxes? Could that be one reason why he stopped at seven, other the magical strenght of that number? |
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| Iseult |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:52 am |
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Dumbledore refers to previous wizards being able to make only one horcux - that is they divided their soul into two. (Ch 23 - Horcuxes). That implies that it was either impossible or fatal to create more Horcuxes.
Voldemort has by our absolute knowledge created two - he has split his soul into three part. One is in the Horcux that Dumbledore destroyed - the ring and the other in the the diary that Harry destroyed in COS. Voldemort to our absolute knowledge has already done the impossible and still exists. It is possible that he made the other four Horcuxes. He needs to retain a part of his soul in his own form to maintain existence - the part that possessed Quirrell.
Finally, the age of Tom in the diary is irrelevant - Tom used the Slytherin/Gaunt ring which was made long before he was born. All it proves is that Riddle did not make a Horcux before he was sixteen - the diary may be a symbol of his youth but we are not aware how the Horcuxes work or how Voldemort splits his soul it may be a simple division or more complex. |
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| deianaera |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:55 am |
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Two Methyloctane wrote: One thing I missed earlier: Maybe what's stopping Voldemort from creating more Horcruxes is that his soul is so degraded it can't be broken down any more... Or possibly, he had to finish creating Horcruxes before his first "death" because he is no longer technically human and can't create any more...
If Dumbledore's theories are correct, then that can't be right. Nagini is supposed to be one of the Horcruxes - and that was created with the old groundskeeper's death in GoF.
Oh, wow! New thought - in GoF, LV talks about how he needs one more death...for the Horcrux?
Curse you JKR! Curse you and your convoluted, intricate plots and the fact that it'll be two or three years before the last book. |
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| Iseult |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:20 am |
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Dieanaera wrote:
Quote: f Dumbledore's theories are correct, then that can't be right. Nagini is supposed to be one of the Horcruxes - and that was created with the old groundskeeper's death in GoF.
Oh, wow! New thought - in GoF, LV talks about how he needs one more death...for the Horcrux?
Great catch - had not made the connection yet! |
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| deianaera |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:43 am |
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Iseult wrote: Great catch - had not made the connection yet!
It's been bugging me since I re-read GoF in preparation for the new book. Before HBP, I wondered if the death was something bizzare, like Crouch Jr. But this makes that comment about one more murder make sense. Almost. |
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| Iseult |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:31 am |
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I am quite uneducated in regards to Ancient Egypt - thankfully my mum has an interest in the subject.
The relevance
Crux is a reference to the Southern Cross and stars in general. In Ancient Egypt they were viewed as the "Imperishable Ones" that is the immortal or the gods.
Hor may be a reference to Horus who is the son of Isis and Osiris (the god of rebirth). Horus mother concieved Horus after Osiris died (unlike Merope and Riddle). Horus later avenged the death of his father by killing his murderer. (Depite the fact that Isis brought Osiris back to life). A reference to Riddle's motivation for killing his father? Not the only reason of course but an addition?
Additionally Horus is related to one of the three souls of the spirit of ancient egypt.
I do not think the interpretation is meant to be literal just refer to the soul/spirit and immortality.
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| Pace |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:13 am |
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| Ohh.. sounds like more symbolism! Do you happen to know how many stars the Southern Cross is built off? Could it be 7, by any chance? |
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