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Two Methyloctane

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:44 am

Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 96 Location: Calgary, Canada

Remember months ago when everyone had a theory for who the HBP was, what would happen, etc.?

What were some of those theories, and how do you feel about them now you've read the book?

PS: This is meant to be a fun topic laughing at ourselves at how silly some of the pre-HBP theories were. Let's keep it light, shall we?

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blah_blah_blah

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:03 am

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 20

Just briefly I thought of Snape but that was only because I considered everyone as I went through the list of known characters. I admit that I got hung up on the whole "Prince" thing and was unable to think clearly. But I remember considering Snape and discarding him as an option because I was sure he would be pure-blood.

Now, while I was reading the book I considered Snape again. When Harry first received the book and we "saw" all the notes written in the margins I thought it was a riot that it might be Snape's book. It just seemed too funny that Harry was doing so well in Potions because of Snape's help. But I dismissed it. Then when we were told that the book was signed as belonging to the Half-Blood Prince and noticed how similar it was to Voldermort calling himself Lord Voldermort and I again thought it would be a riot if it was Snape because of the similarities between him and LV. So I searched the Lexicon to see if Snape was definately a pure-blood and to see if we knew his mother's maiden name. I couldn't find any definate information so I dismissed my theories again.

Then Harry found the spell that James & Sirius used on Snape when they were kids. I knew then that the book was Snape's. I didn't know exactly how he ended up a half-blood but I wasn't letting it drop again.

Snape is LV all over again. That more than anything makes me think he has only bad intentions.

Lariff

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:05 am

Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 36 Location: Calgary

I thought it was Snape ever since the title was released. I just had that feeling.. and i went back through all the books to see if she ever mentionned him being pureblood.. and she didnt. So i was positive I was right.
Unfortunately, I had no clue what being HBP would actually mean and what it was. I just knew it was Snape.

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Two Methyloctane

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:09 am

Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 96 Location: Calgary, Canada

Hehe, yeah...

And what happened to Seamus?? Everyone seemed convinced that he was the HBP.

Or that (until JK debunked it) Arthur would be the new MoM?

Or how Harry would be paired with Luna, Ron and Hermione, Ginny and everyone else?

Or that Blaise Zabini was a quiet, non- Death Eater Slytherin? Although that could've just been fanfic... the party situations with Slughorn give HG/BZ shippers some stuff to work with...

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ambi76

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:41 am

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 9

What? We were never wrong, we all knew it all along! Razz

I had no idea--I just had a feeling it was an unknown or little-known character. When Slugworth came onto the scene I was pretty sure it was him.

I am so happy it turned out to be Snape, though. Very Happy

Re; Blaise Zabini, what a prat he is! I always bought into the non-death-eater Blaise of fanon, but after actually seeing him in the book now, I could care less. He actually seems more like a stuffy Ravenclaw to me than a Slytherin, the way he was acting. Which is not saying much, as we didn't see him much... but still. Wink

I didn't even consider Seamus, actually--I tend not to focus on the Gryffindors. hee. I gave some credit to the Justin Finch-Fletchley idea, though. [Read a great JFF-as-the-next-dark-lord fic, too, which just made the idea more appealing.]

Hell, I even thought Cho Chang could turn out to be a DE in HBP. Or the Creevy's. [well, ok, that one was also brought on by fanfic. Rolling Eyes

] Heh, in truth, we didn't learn about any new voldie-supporters in this book, did we? I mean, amongst the students, that is. And the conjecture goes on! yay!

Verity Brown

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:30 am

Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Midwest USA

I've thought for a long time that Snape probably wasn't a pureblood (and I was delighted to see that working-class Snape turned out to be true, too), but I never had him pegged as being the Half-Blood Prince. I was pretty sure it had to be someone new. I also never suspected that Snape would teach DADA, and I thought the lion-like guy would turn out to be the new DADA teacher. That was too obvious to be true, though, I suppose.

I had totally given up on Harry and Ginny, so that surprised me. I really thought Harry was going to end up with Luna after OotP.

As for who would die, I thought that it might be Lupin or one of the Weasleys (but not Ron or Ginny). Although when I heard the rumor that it was going to be Dumbledore, that seemed likely enough to believe. The only reason that I had thought she might put off killing Dumbledore until the last book was because I wasn't sure who would head up the Order if he died. (I'm still not, for that matter, although it's looking less and less like that matters.)

One thing I expected to see, but didn't, was some info on staff spouses. She had hinted, in an interview, that some of the staff *do* have spouses, but that it isn't widely known. I was really hoping that that info would show up in this book, since it didn't make sense to delay it until book 7.

I think, other than those, I felt pretty in-the-dark about what to expect from HBP. This book has been a lot more satisfying in terms of giving clues to what will happen in the next book.

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anita blake

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:50 am

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 11

blah_blah_blah wrote:

Snape is LV all over again. That more than anything makes me think he has only bad intentions.

Sadly, I fear that the half-blood similarity will prove Snape to be as evil as Voldie. But Harry also is similar to Voldie in many respects, except for the "love" factor. Snape may go either way. I think Dumbledore may have loved Snape, seen him as a son, and Snape may have loved Dumbledore (but had to kill him to save Draco's "innocence"). If Snape has any love at all in his life, he may be good; if not, then evil, and Voldie mach II for Snape. *sigh*

ellerobbie

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:46 pm

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 5

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Sadly, I fear that the half-blood similarity will prove Snape to be as evil as Voldie. But Harry also is similar to Voldie in many respects, except for the "love" factor.

I think Rowling has set up a very interesting dynamic of three similar men and Dumbledore's attempts to save them. Book Seven will just show whether Snape ends up more as Harry or Voldemort. That twist is something I did not see coming at all.

The only thing I knew for sure at the end of Book Five was that Dumbledore, by admitting how he cared for Harry, was going to die in Book Six.

(Someone should make a list of "Things to not do when a character in an epic adventure" You know: don't be the hero's mentor, don't become the most important person in the hero's life, don't be a lackey for the bad guy ... and so on and so forth much like the evil overlord list that's floating around the web.)

I was fairly sure an Order member would be the Defence teacher - I just thought it would be, well, not Snape. And I'm still in shock that all of the Weasleys are alive (plus Hagrid) - I'm almost convinced now that Rowling will have them all live through the end just as a kind of "See? Numbers mean nothing, suckers."

I was expecting Ron and Hermione to get together and cause a rift between them and Harry (even though I still think having two of them pair off undermines their power as a group of three friends).

All in all ... I just expected more teenage angst other than their love lives.

Cheers,
Elle

Two Methyloctane

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:53 pm

Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 96 Location: Calgary, Canada

Hmm... the connection between the three men is interesting...

Voldemort - Snape - Harry

Oldest to youngest, Voldemort is true evil, Harry is true good (more or less), and Snape is the illegitimate love child of the two of them.

Well, not really, but he seems to be the intermediate between them. Go figure he's also playing the double agent role, going between Voldemort's side and Harry's side (even though Dumbledore represented Harry's side).

Any theories that Snape will contact Harry directly?

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Verity Brown

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:54 pm

Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Midwest USA

Two Methyloctane wrote:

Harry is true good (more or less)

I've wondered about that. In two battles now, we've seen him try to cast an Unforgivable. Why would he choose to do that? Even Moody (the real one) refused to use Unforgivables, even when the Aurors were given permission to do so.

Then you have Harry basically rejecting love (in the form of Ginny) out of fear. Has he learned nothing from Dumbledore? Nothing from the example of his parents?

And as a nasty counterpoint to his rejection of love, at the end of HBP you have a Harry who is driven almost entirely by hatred--particularly hatred for Snape. That can't be good. I never had the impression that Dumbledore ever hated Tom/Voldemort, although he felt deeply unhappy about what the young man had done and become, and was determined to stop him, whatever it took.

All through the books, we've seen a Harry who very readily tells lies, who breaks rules shamelessly, who sasses teachers he doesn't like, and who is willing to cheat when he can. Not that any of these are vastly evil crimes. But in HBP, we see Harry cast an unknown spell (for enemies, according to its crytic footnote) at Draco. If Snape had not been nearby, Draco might very well have bled to death, which would have made Harry guilty of murder. Harry's irresponsibility in that instance was actually criminal, although he managed (like his father's son that he is) to get off with just detentions.

I am very worried about Harry.

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Any theories that Snape will contact Harry directly?

I don't think he will. Why would he? I think he said all that he had to say to Harry there at the end. Harry has no reason to listen to him, and Snape has no reason to compromise his own position (if, indeed, he is still good). And, of course, if he's really evil, he has no reason to try to contact Harry at all.

Verity

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Two Methyloctane

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:35 pm

Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 96 Location: Calgary, Canada

I agree about Harry, that's why I said he was more or less good. He does things that aren't nice, and has a habit of acting before he thinks.

As for the thing rejecting Ginny, he wasn't rejecting her, I don't think, he was protecting her by putting space between them. If Voldemort relates Ginny to Harry, she's dead meat. I think what Harry did was a gesture of love: putting aside his own happiness to protect the people he cares about.

Also, as a teenager, I think he's still working out some of his anger issues.

One thing that can be said is at least he's reacting out of emotion (love for Dumbledore, for his parents, etc), unlike Voldemort who seems to do things with no emotion except hate and rage.

Although I think Evil!Harry would be interesting... heh heh... Twisted Evil

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Verity Brown

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:47 pm

Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Midwest USA

Two Methyloctane wrote:

As for the thing rejecting Ginny, he wasn't rejecting her, I don't think, he was protecting her by putting space between them. If Voldemort relates Ginny to Harry, she's dead meat. I think what Harry did was a gesture of love: putting aside his own happiness to protect the people he cares about.

I'm not sure that Voldemort actually would try to attack Ginny just because of Harry. What about Ron and Hermione--they've been his best friends for ages, and no one has targeted them yet. In fact, Snape had a really good opportunity to kill Hermione (and demoralize Harry) in his office. No one would have suspected him, since there were DEs running all over the place. Just another reason I still think Snape may be a white hat.

Did Harry's parents let VoldWarI stop them from marrying and having a child? I think Harry is making a mistake to push Ginny out of the picture.

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Although I think Evil!Harry would be interesting... heh heh... Twisted Evil

That would be fun! I don't think I've ever seen an Evil!Harry fic. Has anyone? Can you point me to it?

Verity

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Melvacaea

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:49 pm

Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 36

Yes I have. I've forgotten the title though...
I'll go find it...

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Moyra

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:58 pm

Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Southern Germany

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Verity Brown

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And as a nasty counterpoint to his rejection of love, at the end of HBP you have a Harry who is driven almost entirely by hatred--particularly hatred for Snape. That can't be good. I never had the impression that Dumbledore ever hated Tom/Voldemort, although he felt deeply unhappy about what the young man had done and become, and was determined to stop him, whatever it took.

I am very worried about Harry.

Yes, I´m also! Where will his hatred for Snape bring him, his friends, the Order, the whole Magic World?

He is wearing blinders where Snape or Malfoy are concerned - although that just changed in favour of Draco at the end. But his hatred for Snape was increasing along the whole book, he zeroed in on him, the final blow-down Snape´s Avada Kedavra.

Perhaps he was more than ready to see Snape in this light because S. was also his scapegoat for Sirius´ death, which he clearly hasn´t been able to come over, to speak about at all. It´s a pity, btw, that this topic wasn´t one in HBP. I would have liked to learn more about it from JKR´s POV.

But anyway, it is truly not “easy” for him to loose at first Sirius and than Dumbledore, and both times he´s present and is unable to do anything – that´s a very traceable reason for his reaction to Snape.

A good pole-position for some interesting complications in the last book. Or for any fanfic-author…

Owlbait

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:08 pm

Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 92

I wondered a lot about Fudge and why he was so adamantly in denial about Voldemort. I came to the conclusion that Lucius Malfoy had contributed a considerable amount to his election campaign. This would have put Fudge in an extremely bad position - he can't admit that Voldemort is back without admitting also that his main backer is a Death Eater, consequently he has to deny both. I was hoping to see some validation on this theory, or at least an explanation as to why he was so very obtuse, but no luck.

I was also hoping to see Umbridge embarassed and discredited, but that's just vindictiveness on my part.

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