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| Two Methyloctane |
 Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:05 pm |
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Haha, well, hopefully you know what I mean. Generally, Hufflepuffs are nice, hard-working people, Ravenclaws are intelligent, reserved people, Gryffindors are brave and loyal, and Slytherins are a close-knit community of people who look out for number one.
I don't think Snape follows ideas of good and evil, rather, what's more advantageous. |
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| Verity Brown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:48 am |
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aphrodeia wrote: I'm not harboring too much sympathy, as the Sirius-haters were equally vicious after the last book. Many of those people just happened to be big Snape fans.
What goes around, comes around, I suppose.
So, you would excuse attacking other people's (already wounded) feelings on the basis that some of them just might have been equally rude to other fans at some point in time.
What a philosophy.....
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| aphrodeia |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:07 am |
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No. Mostly, I'm just not all that worried because it's just a book to me. Nothing more. (Nevermind that I screamed and freaked out at regular intervals, and that I was depressed for an hour or two.  )
Besides, they have some basis in their sniping. SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE. Whether or not it was on the Big D's orders, he still killed him. That's major. People are entitled to hate him, and to gloat about the fact that they were right.
I just don't see where the big deal is. |
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| Delirium |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:06 am |
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| After all, opinions are like...well, you know. Everyone has them and everyone is entitled to express them. |
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| Verity Brown |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:56 am |
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Delirium wrote: After all, opinions are like...well, you know. Everyone has them and everyone is entitled to express them.
I wouldn't argue with that. People certainly are entitled to their opinions, and to express them. (The whole "defend to death your right to say it" thing applies.)
But that's not really what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the effort to villify Snape-lovers right along with Snape. Snape is a fictional character. But, contrary to some people's approaches to the internet, Snape-lovers are real people, with real feelings. Things have been said, about those who still have faith that Snape will turn out to be on the right side, that are downright cruel.
That, in my opinion, isn't cricket.
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| aphrodeia |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:07 am |
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Verity Brown wrote: I'm talking about the effort to villify Snape-lovers right along with Snape.
I haven't seen any of that. I might be living under a rock, though. |
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| GrownUpRon |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:10 am |
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I'm going to go out on a limb here but I don't think Snape betrayed Dumbledore.
Don't get me wrong I think Snape is evil. I've never liked the character and there is no doubt that he emotionally abuses children and that he's a terrible teacher. He is absolutely a serious headcase.
That said I think he was working on some sort of plan with DD that entails sacrifice. I also think that DD was one of the few people he might feel a sense of loyalty too.
I have been traveling to all sorts of HP websites since HBP came out and the idea that people are behaving poorly to real people over imaginary characters is terrible. |
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| wonga |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:48 am |
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* Sob sob*
I love Snape no matter what i don't care if he's evil so thay can all stick it! 'Sides there's probably a perfectly good explanation. DON'T GIVE UP ON SNAPE! |
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| wonga |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:49 am |
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* Sob sob*
I love Snape no matter what i don't care if he's evil so thay can all stick it! 'Sides there's probably a perfectly good explanation. DON'T GIVE UP ON SNAPE! |
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| wonga |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:49 am |
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* Sob sob*
I love Snape no matter what i don't care if he's evil so thay can all stick it! 'Sides there's probably a perfectly good explanation. DON'T GIVE UP ON SNAPE! |
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| anita blake |
| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:18 pm |
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| Didn't J.K. Rowling herself comment that Snape is not a nice person? I hold out hoping that "not nice" and "thoroughly evil" do not mean the same thing to her. But, alas, we'll just have to wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and see. |
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| Iseult |
| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:48 am |
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Snape is a fictional character. While REAL people have different opinions about Snape, please remember that they are only opinions about a fictional in a fictional book.
In HBP Snape killed Dumbledore. That is a fact. His motivations are not completely clear. Some readers are likely to dislike/hate Snape more than they already did. Snape fans will have to accept this criticism and deal with it.
Please don't get upset about these people's attitude. Remember none of the character in HP (including Snape) are likely to feel the audience's anger. |
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| liquidscissors |
| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:13 am |
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Ahh, nothing like people getting bent out of shape because people are rightly calling their favourite character a murdering bastard.
Smells like fandom. |
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| azazello |
| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:22 pm |
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Liquidscissors wrote:
Quote: Smells like fandom.
Smells like wank, too.
Look kids. Snape was not nice in book 6. And that's canon... (Smiles ferally, rather in the manner of Fenrir Greyback).
So far as I can see no one is dissing anyone here, though I will freely say, I'm getting mighty tired of folks showing up on my lj to tell me that I am wrong in suggesting that there is not some way of demonstrating that Snape was a little ewe lamb who nothing common did or mean.
Because the man in Book 6 is BRAGGING about setting up a colleague to be murdered.
I'm prepared to read through endless posts about the Cheese Cauldron theory (my name for that theory that suggests DD asked Snape to kill him, called that by me because it is fuller of holes than a fresh emmental). I'm prepared to put up with folks emailing me and calling me a traitor to Snapefans everywhere (yup, I've had that, too) and I am prepared to smile smugly at various posts by (crappy) authors in the SS/HG camp saying it is easy to make SS/HG stories work with the new canon (a concept I find exceptionally amusing, because their stories did not actually work with the OLD canon).
I'm not attacking anyone who mourns the character they believed existed until Saturday. I wrote nigh on 400,000 words on Snape being essentially a good bloke. I'd further stick my neck out and my ego, and suggest that right up until Sunday I was one of the most canonical SS/HG writers in the game.
But, hey, it's canon. He's not nice. What we wrote was fanon and it's now AU. My thoroughly researched fics (and bugger me I researched them) are as AU as the most stupid fangirl's silly MLC story.
I heard on Thursday from an unimpeachable source, that Snape was nasty, and that he killed Dumbledore. I saw a troll post a page scan (of the bit where Harry told Hagrid that Snape killed Dumbledore) and mailed a friend, who confirmed this was true.
I could hardly bear to read the book by Friday night, and when it arrived on Saturday, I saw my fanfic blown sky high by Chapter 2. I saw a bloke I thought was good smugly gloating over having informed on Emmeline Vance and possibly brought about her death. I read on anyway.
Did I cry at chapter 27? Did I moan at the petty and vindictive man we saw running away from Hogwarts chased by Buckbeak?
No. I just read to the end, and wept for Harry and Dumbledore. And started thinking about Snape and what he was, and what motivated him.
He's a "little" man in terms of vision, he's a bully. He's vengeful, and "A deeply horrible person" - that is what JKR called him yonks ago.
He's still my favourite character, but I utterly refuse to whitewash him, and if there is exoneration to be done, it lies at the end of a few re-reads and careful analysis of all the story, and not just with a kneejerk reaction.
I'll not be pairing him with Ms Granger again - she deserves better than him. However I feel like writing about him, much more than recently. he interests me again. What makes him tick?
Smell the coffee - it's mmmm. After all, it was canon that brought me into this fandom and not some fanfic. |
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| Delirium |
| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:37 pm |
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I, too, think Snape is a dark and disturbed character. I think there's more to the murder of Dumbledore than meets the eye, though, and I will be addressing that in one of my upcoming fics. However, in others, I will address that he's just a deeply flawed, deeply horrible person. I will pair him with Hermione again, just not sure exactly HOW (in what manner of pairing). I think there's way too much "poor poor Snape" being bandied about when he CLEARLY isn't the nicest man and not someone I'd want to meet in a dark alley unexpectedly (expectedly is a different story...)
My current belief that there was an Unbreakable Vow between Snape and Dumbledore lies in rereading and overanalyzing the book. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Do I hope I'm not wrong? I don't CARE if I'm wrong. Snape is still my favorite character BECAUSE he's so deeply flawed and so deeply dark. |
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