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| Kherezae |
 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:11 pm |
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“I dunno, Harry, I shouldn’ta heard it at all! I—well, I was comin’ outta the forest the other evenin’ an’ I overhead ‘em talking—well, arguin’. Didn’t like ter draw attention to meself, so I just sorta skulked an’ tried not ter listen, but it was a—well, a heated discussion an’ it wasn’ easy ter block it out.”
“Well?” Harry urged him, as Hagrid shuffled his enormous feet uneasily.
“Well—I jus’ heard Snape sayin’ Dumbledore took too much fer granted an’ maybe he—Snape—didn’ wan’ ter do it anymore—”
“Do what?”
“I dunno, Harry, it sounded liked Snape was feelin’ a bit overworked, tha’s all—anyway, Dumbledore told him flat out he’d agreed ter do it an’ that was all there was to it. Pretty firm with him. An’ then he said summat abou’ Snape makin’ investigations in his House, in Slytherin. Well, there’s nothin’ strange abou’ that!” Hagrid added hastily, as Harry and Hermione exchanged looks full of meaning. “All the Heads o’ Houses were asked ter look inter that necklace business—”
“Yeah, but Dumbledore’s not having rows with the rest of them, is he?” said Harry.
“Look,” Hagrid twisted his crossbow uncomfortably in his hands; there was a loud splintering sound as it snapped in two. “I know what yeh’re like abou’ Snape, Harry, an’ I don’ want yeh ter go readin’ more inter this than there is.”
Okay, so I have a question. If Snape was loyal to Voldemort, why would he need to have that conversation (or argument, rather) with Dumbledore? There could be a perfectly good reason, but I can't think of it.
Say Snape's saying he doesn't want to spy on the Death Eaters anymore (which I highly doubt in any scenario). If he was a true Death Eater, there'd be no point in telling Dumbledore he didn't want to spy among them anymore. Voldemort would be the one giving him his assignments.
Say the argument has something to do with Snape looking after Draco, judging by the bit about investigating into his House at the end. Agreeing to watch over Draco had nothing to do with Dumbledore, as far as we can tell (aside from the fact that Draco was trying to kill him). That's something he would have to take up with Narcissa, or even Voldemort, though I doubt he's that stupid. Somehow I don't think Voldemort would be pleased to hear about the Unbreakable Vow made, presumably, without his knowledge.
There's really no way for us to know what the argument was about, though I'm sure we all have our guesses. But can anyone think of a good reason Snape would have had this argument with Dumbledore if he really was loyal to Voldemort? |
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:54 pm |
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I wondered about this as well...
I think what Snape thought Dumbledore was taking for granted was Snape being on the Order's side. I think it's like "just because I'm on your side doesn't mean I have to do every single little thing for you," like Snape's been doing the majority of the work. This year we found out Lupin was spying as well, and may have been for a while, but I think Dumbledore is expecting more from Snape than he can reaslistically do.
As for him not wanting to do it anymore: I can see Dumbledore expecting so much from Snape that his position was being compromised. Voldemort trusts him (according to him), but it sounds as if he doesn't have that same trust amongst the other Death Eaters. It's like he has the same situation with the Death Eaters that he has with the Order (how ironic...). The leader trusts him, but the others don't. I think Snape may be feeling the pull of that, trying to convince all these people he's on their side.
Or else, another idea I had was whatever agreement Snape had with Dumbledore regarding Draco was getting too deep, too involved, and Snape thought the stakes (Dumbledore's life) were too high, but he'd already made the agreement before he knew the consequences and was torn over it...
It wouldn't be in the book if it didn't have some significance, so thanks for posting this topic!! |
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| Kherezae |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:22 pm |
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-nod- Mm-hmm. I was thinking along the same lines.
If they were discussing the stakes of the Unbreakable Vow, I could see one reason Snape told Dumbledore he was taking him [Snape] for granted. I don't think Snape's a good guy; probably his loyalties are his own more than either Voldemort's or Dumbledore's. If they'd already discussed the possibility that Snape might need to kill Dumbledore, I imagine Snape wouldn't be too pleased. If he had to kill Dumbledore, he would lose the relatively cushy position of being at least partially trusted by both sides. The Order would be out to kill him, or at least imprison him. He might think Dumbledore was taking him for granted because he would have so much to lose if he had to kill Dumbledore, but he's expected to anyway. Dumbledore's the only one who's ever fully trusted him anyway. Why would he want to secretly help the side that's out for his blood because he killed their leader?
I tend to think Snape isn't loyal to Voldemort (though I'm not so sure he was loyal to Dumbledore, either). But I don't know. I wish we didn't have to wait so long to see what JKR has up her sleeve. |
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| Delirium |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:59 pm |
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| I dunno...I think when it all comes down to it, Snape is loyal to one person...Severus Snape. |
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:01 pm |
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As Slytherins tend to be... themselves and Voldemort.
But hey, the whole killing Dumbledore make his loyalties to the Order seem insignificant, at least to the Death Eaters, and may make him seem somewhat more credible to them...
If anything, he has a very good reason for not being able to spy on the Order as easily... |
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| Verity Brown |
| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:02 am |
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Two Methyloctane wrote: If anything, he has a very good reason for not being able to spy on the Order as easily...
Very good point! If he's still "good," I daresay that he would prefer to avoid a repeat of Emmeline Vance.
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:35 am |
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Yeah, I can see him saying to someone like Bellatrix who doesn't trust him:
"If I was loyal to Dumbledore, would I have *really* killed him? And don't give me that crap for not getting any information on them. They aren't exactly welcoming me into their meetings!"
And now he can more readily work against the Death Eaters by not feeding any information about the Order. I want to see him bring down the Death Eaters from the inside... |
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