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| maryh | 2006.07.06 - 06:30PM | 1: Sign of Allegiance | Signed |
| I am convinced that Snape was spying for the order well before the Prophecy, and that he gave Voldemort the first part of the prophecy on Dumbledore's orders. Since anything Harry knows can get back to Voldemort, I think Dumbledore just gave him the "official story" about when Snape turned spy for the Order. I have a much different picture of young Snape, but your version also works quite well. Author's Response: I also believe that. We know that the Order were being decimated in the first war and they were making no headway. We also know that Dumbledore is perfectly willing to sacrifice unknown strangers, or as he put it in OotP, "nameless and faceless people and creatures", for the few people he cares about. In fact, we've seen him repeatedly put the entire school at risk for the sake of one person that he thinks special for whatever reason, eg saving Draco in HBP. I believe that Snape was already spying but his position was too lowly to do much good. He didn't have the personality or presentation to catch the Dark Lord's eye, and certainly all his contemporaries undervalued him (or were too ambitious to raise up a rival). SPOILERS I think his early failure is partly why Moody doesn't trust him; he probably thought he was only pretending to be on their side and was actually the Dark Lord's sleeper in their organisation instead of theirs in his. When Dumbledore heard the prophecy, he immediately realised that this could be Snape's step up into prominence that they'd been waiting for. And he probably assumed that either Voldemort wouldn't know who to target any more than they did or that it would be someone they could identify and protect. And perhaps the protection would have succeeded if the Potters and Sirius hadn't been so stupid about it. (Though one has to wonder why they chose someone other than Dumbledore as their Secret Keeper; didn't they trust him? [Why not, and how did he lose their trust?] After all, Sirius and Peter, even if faithful, couldn't have resisted Legilimency, Imperio and Veritaserum. NB Although JK mentions 3 ways in her site to conquer Veritaserum - Occlumency, throat-closing and transfiguration before swallowing - she also says that Crouch was too weakened to put them into effect. I think we can agree that someone captured by Death Eaters would be similarly weakened and unable to resist.) END SPOILERS | |||
| whitehound | 2005.10.27 - 06:23AM | 1: Sign of Allegiance | Signed |
| It's quite believeable - and Snape even as an adult is very emotionally labile, even though he controls it. But how does this fit with canon about Snape turning to Dumbledore after he realized he had inadvertently betrayed the Potters - which must have happened some years after this? Or is this AU? Author's Response: The story is marked AU in the summary although I believe canon is by no means so cut-and-dried as people say and had originally marked this "AU since HBP". However, it was not worth having a stand-up fight with the admins about it. GoF gives no time frame for Snape's turning but lets us know that he came to Hogwarts already steeped in the Dark Arts and that he had been a Death Eater but had spied for Dumbledore before Voldemort fell 'at great personal risk". OotP adds the information of the eavesdropper to the prophecy but this is not identified as Snape until HBP. Many of us fingered him sooner but until canon explicitly states something it's only speculation, and alternate explanations are fair game. HBP is the first place we really get the turning pinned down to having occurred after the prophecy but before Harry's parents were killed. Even now, however, there's wiggle room. When Dumbledore told Harry that Snape was the eavesdropper he said that at that stage Snape was still "loyal to his master" but he didn't name the master. If you can believe that Dumbledore might have ordered Snape to tell Voldemort the first half of the prophecy - perhaps to frighten him into a false move and with the presumption that the Fidlius charm would keep the Potters safe - then you can still write Snape as having turned earlier than the prophecy. And if anyone wants to write that, I make them a present of the idea. Actually the admin also thought it was OOC for Snape to cry and for Dumbledore to give him such a Hobson's choice. I totally disagree with that view. | |||
| Amorette | 2005.10.26 - 06:15PM | 1: Sign of Allegiance | Signed |
| Excellent and plausible.
Amorette Author's Response: Some people can't see teenage Snape crying (Why not? He must have been called "Snivellus" for a reason though other possibilities than crying exist.) or Dumbledore giving a student to the Aurors. I don't see what else he can do when a student who has already killed and tortured (as you'll see in later chapters) and who may have important information turns himself in. | |||
| Lady Whitehart | 2005.10.26 - 05:00PM | 1: Sign of Allegiance | Signed |
| *sniffs slightly* Sadly, you may not be too far off. Author's Response: Canon suggests that Snape turned a few years later but I believe there's nothing explicit till HBP, where Dumbledore says Snape was still "loyal to his master" when he overheard the prophecy. It's still possible to posit that Snape was already working for Dumbledore (as it doesn't specify which master) but only if you say that Dumbledore told Snape to give Voldemort half the prophecy. In which case, why did he put the Potters' lives at risk like that? | |||
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